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BASIC... grrrrrr

gary wrote:BASIC... grrrrrr

For some of us, over 30 years ago, it wasn't so grrrrrr.

For those not into CCCCC++++++ as you maybe Gary,
BBC basic on a Raspberry could be a nice simple intro into boiling up the fruit !

BTW in a UK mag is now starting 3 articles on how to get the Raspberry going with its OS etc etc. The mag is Computer Active.......
.......probably too grrrrrr for you though

whoa whoa... I started with FORTRAN and graduated to BASIC (I should have stuck with FORTRAN)... needless to say I go back further than 30 years... (no smart remarks including Charles Babbage please...)

Nothing wrong with BASIC as a starter language but really...


EDIT: re OS it already comes with an *ix OS so...

gary wrote:whoa whoa... I started with FORTRAN and graduated to BASIC (I should have stuck with FORTRAN)... needless to say I go back further than 30 years... (no smart remarks including Charles Babbage please...)

Nothing wrong with BASIC as a starter language but really...


EDIT: re OS it already comes with an *ix OS so...

You can use others. Depends what you buy as a starter kit.
http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads

'Raspbian' is recommended for starters. I guess one could load up various SD cards with other OS and just plug them in.

I am tempted to have a go, but what to use it for?........
.........maybe simulate the Babbage m/c

Oh indeed - it is a computer, I merely meant having an OS is nothing new. The applications of this unit for NBTV is endless I believe, but its low power footprint makes it a great candidate for network streaming in general - I for one - having moved to a rural area and thus being subject to the dreaded "self interference" phenomenon of AM at night (keeping in mind that FM has yet to discover the concept of intelligent programming) - see it as a means of low cost AM radio streaming.

As DrZarkov pointed out you can even run Risc OS on it to get a proper set of BBC Micro tools without having to learn the fiddly Linux stuff.

I tried it and while it's not perfect it does work well enough.

dominicbeesley wrote:As DrZarkov pointed out you can even run Risc OS on it to get a proper set of BBC Micro tools without having to learn the fiddly Linux stuff.

I tried it and while it's not perfect it does work well enough.

So, Dominic, you have actually run BBC basic on it, but I wonder what, "well enough" means?

Are any keywords missing, such as PROC, DEF, CALL, others, or is it flaky,crashes........
.....can one have a flaky raspberry?

It runs a copy of Risc OS which is the operating system for the Acorn Archimedes/Risc PC these were the successor machines to the BBC micro.

The BBC Basic therefore is perfect. There are a few problems with the operating system itself though they appear to be minor glitches as I had not problems with it crashing but there were some limitation such as it would only work in one screen resolution and it would not always start in the correct resolution.

The build I'd used was an alpha from a while back I understand there is to be an official release soon which should iron out most of these bugs. There are already better versions available though unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an obvious way of tracking them down!

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Thanks for all that Dominic.

I see that Maplin are doing a complete package including Raspberry model B/mouse/keyboard/4Gb SD card with an OS already installed/all cables/4 port USB hub/power supply/WiFi dongle.

All in for £69 post free which seems about the price for each item bought seperately on eBay etc.

Now with Xmas getting near I might tell the wife that I would like raspberries instead of a £69 Xmas pud

I can recommend puppy linux, barry, (the developer) is working on a version for the Pi

The most popular Linux for the Raspberry Pi ist currently "Raspbian". It is a very fast and good working Debian for the RPi.

BBC Basic is one of the best Basic dialects ever made. On RISC OS it is really impressive how fast it works, even for an interpreter language. BBC Basic allows structual programming, nothing like the "Spaghetti-code" known from Commodore or Sinclair. BBC Basic is old, but not old fashioned.

I have just realised I left that pesky p out of raspberry in the thread title - dear me and I can't edit it...

gary wrote:I have just realised I left that pesky p out of raspberry in the thread title - dear me and I can't edit it...

I'm puzzled by this, in that I have just deliberately edited the thread title heading in one of my own older threads and back again and it showed the alterations OK.

Anyway, hands up all those who noticed Gary's misssing p ?........
......a free punnet of raspberries for those who did.

How did you edit it Albert? Two punnets for the tip...

gary wrote:How did you edit it Albert? Two punnets for the tip...

It was just a BASIC ( ) alteration to the title in the very first letter of my thread. After going into the edit mode one can change the title as well as the actual letter.

So Gary, I guess that you are probably trying to edit in your later letters of your thread.
Try editing the very first of your letters.

It's a pity though, if you correct it now, as I was getting to
like Rasberry pie. No Pips in it.