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Postby Steve Anderson » Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:35 am

AncientBrit wrote:The reason I mentioned the Luxeon project as a possible subject was because I think it emphasises the complementary nature of this forum and the newsletter.

If the forum facility had not existed I doubt whether your circuit development would have moved at the pace it did, leading to a technically competent conclusion. Graham


As Steve O. mentioned at one point to reach the conclusion we did would have taken some five years via the newsletter, whereas we did it in a couple of months as I recall.

Andrew appears to be keeping a database of all that is on this forum for future reference, and as he has mentioned it's open to anyone who requests it. Ergo, all that has gone before, even if it were 25 years ago, is still accessible. Whereas with the newsletter it's a sequence of jumping through hoops to get what you might be searching for.

The BATC maintain copies of all their publications since 1949 on their web-site with the exception of the past year or so (to make you open your wallet and join).

I don't really want to be critical of the NBTVA, they've been around for over 30 years, but guys, we're well into the 21st century.

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Postby moderator » Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:42 am

Steve Anderson wrote:I don't really want to be critical of the NBTVA, they've been around for over 30 years, but guys, we're well into the 21st century.


Great quote from a guy currently working on 72 line television on a 3 inch CRT!
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Postby Steve Anderson » Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:40 pm

moderator wrote:Great quote from a guy currently working on 72 line television on a 3 inch CRT!


OK, I'll shut up. I've aired my views. Close of subject.

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Postby chris_vk3aml » Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:56 pm

I've been watching the development of this topic heading with some interest and concern.

You certainly can't level any criticism at Jeremy, he's having enough trouble picking up the very large NBTVA reins from Doug Pitt which were
established over a 37-year period, to my personal knowledge.
And these people are ALL volunteers - unless one also
volunteers to help them, there is no basis for criticism.


Steve, I agree, we are well into the 21st century, but IN NO WAY do I see
Internet replacing the print medium. Many of the NBTVA members do not
have Internet, and until the start of March, I was one of these.
The NBTVA Bulletin, and in fact all printed publications, especially those
from learned societies like the IREE or IEEE, go through a process of
expert peer evaluation, review and editing prior to publication.
In general, these print publications are available for perusal without cost
at the nearest large local library. One cannot say the same for Internet,
where anyone's opinion can be printed as "fact" within flawed intellectual
concepts such as "Wikipedia", where consensus and facts become
inextricably confused. Just because everybody thinks something is
right, and post it on the net, does not mean that the concept is correct.

We have recently seen ample evidence of that, with extremely overblown
and anti-intellectual attempts to identify Philo Farnsworth as "the inventor
of television".

And - please note - the journals of professional engineering societies
might be available for perusal on the Internet, but THEY CHARGE FOR
THOSE DOWNLOADS, so that the casual user tends not to peruse them
on the Internet. At a library you can peruse them, perhaps photostat
them, for next to no cost.

Blind faith in the Internet and all that it contains - good and bad - is bound
to lead to a "dumbing down" of reference sources.

For audio visual materials - films, sound recordings, images - the Internet
is a wonderful dissemination medium. For solid referenced fact, I have
extreme reservations regarding its effectiveness, and you will note that
often when folk question me about the validity of certain engineering
concepts, I simply reproduce the relevant printed text with its
accompanying references
- which flaky Internet sources rarely
give elsewhere.

I think that the NBTVA Bulletin now has the potential for being an
excellent peer-reviewed digest of the banter in these forums, as well
as being an outlet for fully-developed and demonstrable equipment
and concepts, properly presented with references. In that regard the
function of the NBTVA Bulletin is separate and distinctly different in
function and application to this forum, or indeed to the function of
the Internet as a whole.

I'll conclude by pointing to my perpetually-suffixed Internet "signature"
shown below my name on all my postings. Don't put too much faith
in Internet sources. Formal academic methods of presentation via
the print media should, at this stage, be given far more credence
simply because of the intellectual process to which they are
subjected prior to the expensive process of hardcopy printing.

And please, give Mr Jago a break and send him some material to
publish. That Bulletin has held the NBTVA together since 1972!

Emphatically,

Chris Long VK3AML.
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Postby AncientBrit » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:16 pm

Well put Chris,


Regards,


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Postby Steve Anderson » Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:21 pm

chris_vk3aml wrote:And please, give Mr Jago a break and send him some material to
publish. That Bulletin has held the NBTVA together since 1972! Emphatically, Chris Long VK3AML.


I really do not want to continue this thread. All I'm asking for is that what I submit is what gets printed. Even, as I have said before, it's erroneous. This is one of the benefits of a forum like this, whatever I post here is down to me, no-one else has any responsibility for the accuracy or the content of the posting.

An editor of a publication on the other hand does have a responsibility, and I have no truck with Jeremy, it was in fact one of his items that led to Steve O's PWM Luxeon system.

Please, I have no problem with the NBTVA, just publish what I submit (should they wish to do so) without errors. I think that's a fair enough request.

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Postby chris_vk3aml » Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:54 am

With regard to print-media publishing:

(1) In the 37 years since the publishing of my first professional magazine article, I have NEVER had an article printed word-for-word according to the manuscript I provided. It is the editor's job to give the best expression of concepts that, in his opinion, can be placed in print with a minimum of verbiage. In submitting material for publication, you ALWAYS abrogate responsibility to the editor on the publishing team. To expect otherwise would be an act of extreme ego, more worthy of Internet publication, and that is where the unsifted material should stay!

(2) In 95 percent of published cases, the editor of my stuff has been competent in his/her job and I have had to admit - in retrospect, if not at the time - that his/her editing improved the final product.

Print publishing, contrasting with Internet posting, involves an intellectual process which gives it greater weight, and that is its strength.

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Postby Steve Anderson » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:18 pm

chris_vk3aml wrote:...In 95 percent of published cases, the editor of my stuff has been competent in his/her job and I have had to admit - in retrospect, if not at the time - that his/her editing improved the final product....Chris Long VK3AML.


Chris, I agree with what you say, my grievance is not over perhaps correcting my flaky grammar or spelling, but simply getting units and quantities correct.

Please can we draw this to a close? I sincerely wish I had never mentioned it.

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